Posts Tagged ‘Peter Harvey’

Jack Waterhouse Update

July 15, 2009

Haven’t heard much on this case over the past few days. Think the BBC are reporting that he is out of hospital, so the injury can’t have been life threatening.

 

Has the charge of attempted murder been reduced to aggravated assault?

How do the police actually define what is attempted murder? Is it intent? Result? Method? Day of the week?

I’d like to know. And for some reason the teacher concerned, Peter Harvey is going to appear in court via video link…………..why?

All Saints and a few scholars…..ex-student speaks out.

July 12, 2009

The following is a comment from an ex student of All Saints, giving us a brief insight into the integrity of the school in days gone by.

I remember the same scenario myself a few years back. At my grammar school, we had to raise our hands and ask permission to remove our blazers in class……. the headmaster wore a long black gown and instilled terror in all. Then he retired and the school seemed a less formidable place. However, with that  new earned sense of freedom, standards lapsed too and the place never quite seemed the same again. Was there a recent change of management at All Saints?

Anyway, here is that ex student perspective:

” am truly shocked, after hearing about Peter Harvey from All Saints R.C. I attented All Saints in the 80’s and remember a very strict and fair school. I remember taking home a letter from the form teacher for wearing the wrong socks!
The teachers were very concious of social values and I certainly remember the teachers being very authoritive figures. There was always one or two that didn’t have the weight they needed, but the head of year certainly balanced the scale.

I no longer live in England and after hearing all about England’s ” modern pupils,” I don’t think I ever will again.

What is happening to a country I used to adore. The social values have slid to an all time low! What are the parents doing or not doing? Does
no one care anymore? Mr Harvey was in a highly stressfull situation, where he saw red! Why was he in this situation to start with? After such a traumatic illness, why wasn’t he in rehabilitation? Why did he have to be back so soon? After a stroke, stress levels are no longer the same. You don’t have the patience of a saint anymore, which is what you need nowadays! Poor Mr Harvey!! He should have never been there.

My heart really goes out to the parents of Jack. I hope he recovers from the ordeal, and perhaps it is an eyeopener to all, that there are some social problems in a not so long ago wonderfull country, called England.”

H Heinrich

Is Jack waterhouse the tip of the iceberg?

July 12, 2009

On reading the comments posted here over the past couple of days, you can see that there is an immense amount of sympathy for the teacher involved in the Jack Waterhouse assault case. Ex teachers have indicated how they wouldn’t teach for love or money now, some demand that the charge be reduced to aggravated assault as in no way did Peter Harvey intend to murder Jack Waterhouse when he lifted the weight that morning. The charge of attempted murder has probably came  from some gung ho police officer with a scant knowledge of the law……there has been, of course, sympathy expressed for the boy and hopes for a speedy recovery but questions as to why he would have teased an ill teacher in such a way.

People have also criticised school authorities for letting a teacher who had been ill through stress back in the classroom without supervision…….

Whatever the outcome, this is a bizarre and tragic case of a good man gone bad. How many other teachers will we see go the same way before they are given support?

Anger

July 11, 2009

Aristotle

Anybody can become angry, that is easy; but to be angry with the right person, and to the right degree, and at the right time, and for the right purpose, and in the right way, that is not within everybody’s power, that is not easy.

What Jack Said

July 11, 2009

It is reported that Jack Waterhouse, the boy at the centre of the teacher assault case,  had sworn at the science teacher and goaded “f*** off and have another stroke” before he was attacked with a 2kg weight used in lab experiments.

This came after a girl had refused to give the teacher a book she had torn up, and others had teased the teacher.

Peter Harvey- what are other teachers saying?

July 11, 2009

Checking on the TES website this is the chatter about the Peter Harvey/ Jack Waterhouse attempted murder case.

It seems the teacher had just returned from sick leave having suffered a stress related stroke. The science class he was teaching were taunting him with ”Man in the Mirror” by Michael jackson, but had changed the lyrics to “Psycho”…..

Posted by: nomad 09/07/2009 at 14:47

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Arrested on suspicion of attempted murder is rather different from being charged with attempted murder.However, since it is (I would imagine) highly unlikely that the teacher in question had the chil’d death in mind when he caused the boy’s injuries, I suspect (and hope) that the charge, if any, would be reduced to that of aggravated assault.

Quite right. I mean surely the teacher did not lift the weapon in order to kill the child? unless someone heard him say ”I’m going to kill you”, then it should be aggravated assault.

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Posted by: seren_dipity 09/07/2009 at 14:47

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 Whatever happened his career is over, presumably after a couple of decades.There’s no point in prejudging,  nor should we, but I’m sure we all have scenarios in our minds which can allow us to have enormous sympathy for the (assumed) poor man.

Totally agree. While I have no sympathy for the action , I can relate to being in that situation with students who you just want to make shut up…..

 

The ”lovely lad” and the murderous teacher…..

July 11, 2009

Now that teacher Peter Harvey has been charged with attempted murder, local residents are coming out of the woodwork to comment on the parties involved……we should take all comments with a pinch of salt. Perhaps more of a good point of reference would be the boy’s school reports?

Neighbours commented to ( that oracle of truth and moral integrity, The Daily Mirror) on Jack Waterhouse, rumoured to have sworn at Harvey and wound him up : 

  • Jack was “a lovely lad who wouldn’t hurt a fly”. ‘
  • ‘He’s a good quiet lad and I’m surprised he’s mixed up in this sort of thing.” 
  • We’ve never had trouble from him in the seven years we’ve lived here.
  • “Jack’s not like a typical 14-year-old, he’s a lot quieter. He’s also very small for his age.”

My son is an angel in the classroom and as soon as he sets foot in my car, is a devil………

I have seen children elective mutes throughout their school careers, who sing and dance and recite poetry at home.

Children who behave perfectly at home with their parents can be uncontrollable with an audience in school.

Let’s wait and see. As I said, if I was little Jack’s parents, and wanted to show what a shining example of a good student he was, I’d publish his school reports- asap.

 

Textbook homicide

July 10, 2009

We usually hear about violent attacks on teachers from unruly and unstable students. We rarely here of this phenomenon in reverse.

However, today we did. A teacher in a secondary school in Mansfield , UK has been charged with attempted murder of a student. When does illegal corporal punishment become attempted murder? When the victim ends up in a pool of blood at the science classroom door.

Sky reports : 

Peter Harvey, 49, is accused of attacking Jack Waterhouse, 14, at All Saints’ Roman Catholic School in Mansfield on Wednesday morning.

Harvey will appear before the town’s magistrates tomorrow morning, Nottinghamshire Police said.

Jack was found by paramedics unconscious in a pool of blood at the entrance to a classroom in the school’s science block at 11am on Wednesday.

He is currently in a stable condition at the Queen’s Medical Centre in Nottingham, where he is being treated for serious head injuries.

A police spokesman said: “A man has been charged with the attempted murder of a pupil at a Mansfield school.

“Peter Harvey, aged 49, of Rannoch Drive, Mansfield, is accused of the attempted murder of Jack Waterhouse, aged 14, at All Saints’ Roman Catholic School on Wednesday, July 8, 2009.

He will appear at Mansfield Magistrates’ Court tomorrow morning.”

Point of interest,

In April 2009 , the Association of Teachers and Lecturers, released details of a survey of over 1,000 of its members which found that nearly one quarter of them had been on the receiving end of physical violence by a student.

In Wales, a 2009 survey found that two-fifths of teachers reported having been assaulted in the classroom. 49% had been threatened with assault.